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demon dantes · May 20, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

well heres the deal everyone has the freedom to say what they would like. but as in real life if you assault me verbally i can either retaliate or take more drastic measures. i have seen latelly that people have been using a word to degragate black people and ethnic or foreign alot more then normall. now being black it does bother me but i change districts and move on. now a couple of days ago i was in cavalon and the people in there were having a large discussion about god lol don t ask me why but thats what they were talking about. now i had written a statement that i was lfg and 3 people two in the local channel and 1 in a pm began to tell me to shutup n@@@@@ we are talking here and noone cares what you are looking for. now 1-i never mentioned that i was black. 2-why would a bunch of people just say that out of the blue? so i did what anyone would do i took ss about 3 and sent them to anet. now here is the problem. i had responded to 1 of them that i ss what he had said and he said do you honestlly think this will be my first ban. he said he had been banned a ton of times for this but it is only a 24hour ban. can anyone tell me why you would only ban someone 24 hrs for such incident? seems to me if you are going to make a racist comment you should be gone ban the whole account for good. everyone has said that anet cannot do anything about it cause they didn t do anything wrong but that is untrue. if this were to happen in real life they can be arrested for this if you have physical proff of some kind. so in gw wouldn t a ss be the proof? just wondering if this has happend to anyone else and is it really a 24hr ban?

SilentAssassin · May 20, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

I don't know, but I agree with you they deserve a MUCH longer bann.

Racisme can't be tolerated, not in real life not in games...

Yuo Can Do It! · May 20, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Guild Wars, much like WoW, will do nothing about it - for the following reasons:

Built in chat filter (options)
You can literally ignore them.
You can put them on your ignore list.
You can move to another district.

They've taken some of these steps so that they don't have to bother with stuff like this.

Also - screenshots won't do anything, as they can be edited. But I'm guessing they have logs of all chat records, so maybe a time would help them.

Does it REALLY effect your game experience to have someone calling you names? Grow up, ignore them, don't respond to them, it's what they want.

konohamaru heaven · May 20, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Actually chat filter or not it is a bannable offense since its in the Rules of Conduct

Yuo Can Do It! · May 20, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by konohamaru heaven

Actually chat filter or not it is a bannable offense since its in the Rules of Conduct

I'm sure it is, but they obviously don't care much about it, or have more important things to be doing.

Aera · May 20, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

They should indeed put a perm ban on it. Some people just say "N@@@@" as a word in friendship, but that one definately wasn't. And it was against the rules of conduct so he might actually get one. I think he was just trying to act "cool and tough" but he's probably pissed his pants for getting banned.

dargon · May 21, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Unfortunately, ANet can't monitor everything 100% of the time. If someone does something like this, take a screenshot showing the issue, note your location and district, along with the time and then goto support.guildwars.com and proceed with the reporting. Having the place and time allows them to verify that what you claim is infact the truth, the screenshot is just icing on the cake so to speak.

Rayne Nightfyre · May 21, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

I think it's difficult for A-Net to justify permanently banning someone for words alone, even if it was a racist comment or worse. Usually it seems that actions are what merit longer ban sentences, such as a scam. Although I wish they'd up the ban length for offensive words to perhaps a week or two, because a day would hardly phase them. But if not, I guess keeping local/trade chat off or just ignoring idiotic comments would help. :/

demon dantes · May 21, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

well i agree with what the one guy said i don t really take to what is said that much as i said most of the time i just change districts or just turn chat of but 1 i was looking for a party and 2 the guy had sent it directlly to me. what people say is what people say but when it is directlly right at a person that is the problem i have. and to have ss of the guy saying he was banned multiple times for this for 24hrs seems like this would be a on going thing with this guy. wouldn t that in fact warrent a longer ban. there has to be a line drawn on what you can say regardless and show people hey play the game and don t be a a@@.

Kook~NBK~ · May 21, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

It could be that the guy was bluffing, saying that he'll only get a 24 hour ban to make you think that reporting him would be a waste of time. (That would be my guess of why he said that)

It's my understanding that repeat, persistent, offenders suffer from longer bans for each offense. (But I don't know this as fact, just from a few threads I've read in these forums)

Yes, A-Net keeps chat logs and all of that stuff to verify the accuracy of reports of EULA violations.

Demesis · May 21, 2006, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuo Can Do It!

Does it REALLY effect your game experience to have someone calling you names? Grow up, ignore them, don't respond to them, it's what they want.

I hate it when someone posts "deal with it" or "quit whining" or "grow up".

We are dealing with racist comments here. It isn't simple name calling and it as hell isn't a whining statement. People get offended by them and it's something very serious, there is a reason why they're against Anet policy. So why don't YOU change your attitude and stop beating this guy down.

Edit: Sorry if I'm a bit pissed off, but I think I got the message around.

Argen · May 21, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Actually, there is some very nasty laws in the United States that might come into effect. They apply harassment. Technically, if you were not satisfied with ANet's resolution of the situation you could take them to court for it. As you are a customer, it is technically possible for them to condone a hostile environment for you... by not taking appropriate measures. *shivers*

Anyways, I've never heard of that coming about from internet issue, but I do know it can happen in the work place... I'm Italian and there are a couple of choice words that get tossed my way from time to time. I'd just report it, move on, and stay away from them.

As for more racially derogatory slurs bouncing around these days, I'm not sure. I normally filter most of the chats in Guild Wars out anyways, mentally. But you shouldn't have to do this.

I hope, if he truly typed these things, that he is banned permanently. I'd rather have a couple of bots around than a bunch of people attacking others for their beliefs, race, and such.

demon dantes · May 21, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

i had to edit my post as i was responding to health soldier and now i see his post is missing lol thnx.

GloryFox · May 21, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Too many people get too offended too easily.

THANK ANET FOR THE IGNORE LIST!

Cador · May 21, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

I hate it when someone posts "deal with it" or "quit whining" or "grow up".

We are dealing with racist comments here. It isn't simple name calling and it as hell isn't a whining statement. People get offended by them and it's something very serious, there is a reason why they're against Anet policy. So why don't YOU change your attitude and stop beating this guy down.

Edit: Sorry if I'm a bit pissed off, but I think I got the message around.

I agree with you and the OP, Being jewish with a grandparent who survived the holocaust it kills me when someone uses Jew as derrogatory, or starts screaming Heil Hitler (which no is NOT edited)jew is but heil hitler is not. It gets me boiling mad

Swampgirl Inez · May 21, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

I'm just stepping in here to remind everyone that this is a GuildWars forum. Racism is a touchy subject for lots of people and a thread like this can very easily escalate into a flame war. I've had to delete several posts already.

Keep your posts respectful and informational, please. If flaming starts up again, it will be closed.

Mister Overhill · May 21, 2006, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Well, the bible stated (allegorically) that the human race began with a very small population group, and spread out from there. And of course, everyone blew that off as a fairy tale.

Now science has proven conclusively, through DNA research, that everyone on the face of the planet is descended from the same small population group in Africa long before the dawn of recorded history. So called racial differences and characteristics are the result of genetic drift over time as the original group expanded and spread to the far reaches of the globe, separating geographically from one another.

In short, there is no such thing as a red race, yellow race, black race, or white race. There is only one race, the human race, and the sooner we accept that fact and deal with it, the sooner we will leave the years of ignorance and prejudice behind.

Goats17 · May 21, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Sorry if this seems kind of rude, but this is a perfect example for my thesis. I may only be in grade 8, but my teacher wants a good essay, and I'm doing it on Online-gaming stereotypes. Do you mind if I use this as an example?

fiery · May 21, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Get used to it is all i'm going to say, might sound blunt but it's everywhere.

Random Arenas huge spurs of God and ethics and blah blah.

The "n" word as well, many people use it as a deragatory. Many younger people will use the word such as an insult, thinking it's just a word, but it's not.

As to those in the same district with me I simply say Grow some balls and get more mature in all chat.

Also it seems the "n" word is not a RED ENGINE GORED word.

Gah, as the online sterotype, racism is not a streotype and the use of one word is not a streotype.

Try all farmers are chinese people in sweatshops.
or.
All the people playing games are older men preying on people.
or.
Playing games makes your child go suicide or kill him/herself or another.

Just Googled "online streotypes" and got, http://faculty.washington.edu/pbell/...s/00000191.htm .

dargon · May 21, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

As an addition to the posts regarding the length of time a person is banned for. ANet keeps track of reported / acted upon offenses, and repeat offenders tend to get a bigger punishment for multiple offenses.

ie 24 hours for the 1st one, 48 for the send, 1 week for the 3rd, etc.